Revenge

10/02/2011

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From About Revenge
by Francis Bacon


     Revenge is a sort of savage justice.  The more people try to take revenge, the more the law should punish them.  When a man commits a crime, he breaks the law.  But when the injured person takes revenge, the person destroys law itself.  In taking revenge, a person does indeed get even with his enemy.  But when one refuses to take revenge, he shows that he is better than his enemy.  King Solomon, I am sure, said it is glorious for a person to forget an injury.  

     Whatever is past is gone and can't be changed.  Wise people know they have enough to do in the present and with whatever might happen in the future.  They don't spend their time taking revenge.  People who spend their time worrying about past injuries just waste their time.  Also, no person hurts another person just to hurt him.  Rather, it is done for his profit or his own pleasure or his honor or for some other reason he might have.  So why should I be angry with someone for loving himself better than he loves me?  Suppose someone hurts me because he is evil.  Isn't that just like a thorn or briar which scratches me because it can't do anything else?

     Revenge is most allowable when there is no specific law to correct an injury.  However, one must then be careful that the kind of revenge one takes does not break yet another law.

     Some people when they get even want their enemy to know that it will happen.  This is a more generous way of acting.  Not letting your enemy know you are going to get even is a cowardly thing to do.  It is like killing at night from ambush.

     What is certain about planning to get even is that one's own wounds remain open.  If one didn't spend one's time trying to take revenge, those injuries would heal and be forgotten.  Public or state revenges are, for the most part, good--as in the case of the murders of Julius Caesar.  Private revenges are, however, not good.  People who take revenge live the life of witches.  They cause trouble to others and come to a bad end.
 


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martiana1
10/03/2011 3:12pm

I think that revenge is really not good because it only leads you to more dangerous things like dealth.Revenge is not they way to hande things such as a friendship.If your friend did something to you, you should not get revenge because it can ruin the friendship.

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Kealiah1
10/03/2011 6:39pm

I think that revenge can make people do foolish things such as, killing people. I agree with Martiana because revenge is not the way to handle things like friendships. Revenge is not necessarily a bad thing because if you tell them what you are going to do to them, and you don’t break any laws. According to the text revenge is just a waste of time because you shouldn’t be worrying about the past. What happens in the past will not change because whatever they did will already be done and over with it. Why would people do foolish things, such as killing people for revenge?

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kiana1
10/03/2011 6:45pm

Revenge is not always the right way to handle things. Most people only do revenge because it makes them look bad but it really show how low you can be towards other's. I also agree with martiana1 because like she say's if your doing revenge with friendship that guilt will eat you up alive later on in your life.

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Yajaira1
10/03/2011 9:16pm

I agree with Kealiah because no matter how much revenge you try to get , you will always feel that emptiness in you of what someone did to you. You can keep on doing revenger over and over and it won't go away. Sometimes theirs other ways of solving problems. Just like Montresor had many dead bodies while going through the reccess and the reason being is because he still is hurt and he thinks while going at revenge more and more it would get better , but what Montresor doesn't understand is that it really doesn't get better. It might feel good for those couple of minutes but that feeling goes away.It's also true that what happened in the past already happened , it can't be changed no matter what you do. You can try hiding it or covering it up with something else or you can act differently but it's still going to be their. I feel that it's better to leave things behind sometimes and move on or maybe solving your issue and talking about your problem with eachother, it's not going to remove the feelings you've had for what happened but it can definitely make it better. Montresor has done revenge to many times and doesn't even tell anybody jus keeps making it worse and worse by not saying anything.I think by now Montresor should have understood or atleast tried to understand he's not helping himself. Revenge is done with many reason for something maybe horrible done to you. Montresor was hurt many times and doesn't know how to deal with it besides revenge wich isn't really helping him. But if you think about it , can revenge make things easier?

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douala1
10/04/2011 7:28am

I agree with the point that martianna1 stated, revenge only leads to more dangerous things. In the text Francis Bacon stated that “revenge is a sort of savage justice”. I also agree with this because when you think about it someone that commits revenge is stooping down to that cruel persons level making themselves lower than they are and making them look even more as savage, as we discussed in class when you do try to act out for revenge on a backstabber you never quite feel the same. You never can return to your normal state of mind. I believe that people shouldn’t even try to come to the act of revenge because what happened in the past can never be fixed, changed or altered as Francis stated, so why do we continue to act out for revenge? Is it just in our nature?

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Adijat1
10/04/2011 7:44am

In the article About Revenge Francis Bacon states that "people who spend their time worrying about past injuries just waste their time", i agree with this statement to some extent. I feel that getting rvenge is just a reflex, when you get hurt by someone or something you automatically want to hurt that person back to make them feel the way you felt. Although I do agree with my peers that getting revenge can be a waste of time (and also lead you to do stupid thing) it isn't stupid. In the story Cask of Amontillado Montresor gets his revenge on Fortuanto over an insult and ends up killing him. To me this was very stupid because the entire time Montresor wasn't thinking of the consequences that could occur.

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Guadalupe1
10/04/2011 3:11pm

I agree with both Martiana and Kealiah on how revenge is not the right way to solve problems. Instead what you should do is talk it out with the other person and try to fix the problem. Since we also know that revenge can make you go to extreme lengths,and you can really get into a lot of trouble if you do something really bad.I do not think that revenge is the best way to solve a problem.

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asia5
10/04/2011 3:13pm

i agree with Yajaira because no matter how hard you try to make the person feel the amount of hurt you did , its not going to make a difference because when you do get revenge you think that your going to be all happy and relieved but thats not true all the hurt you felt before is still going to be there. so theres no point of getting revenge because your going to end up hurting your self with the guilt .

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Takeyia5
10/05/2011 6:27pm

Revenge. What most people consider " a good feeling" . In " About Revenge" it tells us that " If one didnt't spend one's time trying to take revenge, those injuries would heal and be forgotten." When talking about "The Cask Of Amontillado" this makes perfect sense! Half of the whole story Montresor is plotting to get revenge on Fortunato for doing what he done to Montresor. "People who spend their time worrying about past injuries just watse their time." Also mentioned in About Revenge, with this I agree with Adijat the only thing I disagree with is that I dont think revenge is a reflex I think it's planned. Like in " The Cask Of Amontillado" Montresor plotted out what he is going to do to Fortunato. I remember in class we talked about when it said "Not letting your enemy know you are going to get even is a cowardly thing to do." In About Revenge.Some people said they agreed with that but one person said " Well call me a coward because if i'm going to get revenge on a person i'm going to let it hit them." It's half and half for me.

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alysha1
10/06/2011 12:14pm

i agree with douala and yajaria because revenge does make people do crazy things and when you get revenge things just get worse like in the story montesor chained up fortunato and like buried him alive by making a brick wall and this shows that it does make you do crazy things go to extremes and when he did this he had this sort of feeling or sickness afterwords because now he has to live with what he just did like frank bacon said "revenge is a sort of savage justice"and it really is and as i think about it like why do people want revenge? why do they do this ?

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Dasia1
10/06/2011 12:16pm

I think revenge is an action that will leave morethan one person hurt in the end. I agree with Kealiah because revenge is something that will make you do strange things. In "The Cask of Amontillado", Montresor built a whole wall just to kill Fortunato for his revenge. I dont think anybody would ever do something to somebody else that would make them want to take away their life. If it was something really big, it still wouldnt be a good idea to take things to the extremes no matter what. In the text "About Revenge", it stated that revenge wont change what happened in the past and that wise people think ahead for their future. I strongly agree with this because I'd rather use my time on my future than to try to polute yours because of what you did to me in the past. Keyword: Past! How could someone focus on their future while dwelling on the past?

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aaliyah1
10/06/2011 12:17pm

I agree with Kealiah, with the fact that revenge isn’t the best way to handle things. I agree with the fact that when you do revenge you are breaking the law like Francis said in the article. I think getting revenge in receiving revenge is both terrible things to do. I also agree with Martianna when she said revenge can lead to more dangerous things. I think that many people get revenge just to show toughness. Why do people like to settle things in revenge is it just to who they are and how they grew up or just something they think they can get away with doing?

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andreanna1
10/06/2011 2:38pm

i agree with Kealiah and Dasia because revenge shouldnt make you go over the extreme like in the story "THE CASK OF AMONTILLADO", Fortunato was being very foolish that he was not realizing Montresor was manipulating him into coming wit him so Montresor can bury fortunato behind a brick wall. To me if yhu hurt me my revenge wouldnt be to kill you it will be to forgive you. It wasnt right for Montresor to take Forunato life no matter what the case may be. If Fortunato wasnt being foolish to montresor, would have you Montresor try to get revenge or would Fortunato let him manipulate him into coming?

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asia5
10/06/2011 3:16pm

revenge can take a person to extreme lenghts. like in "the cask of amontillado" getting revenge was the onlything on montresors mind. it made him crazy enough to bury someone alive and not have mercy for them to forgive. i dont think revenge is the right way to handle thing its imature and very dangerous. revenge is never the way to handle your problems , instead of getting revenge you could sit the person down and talk to them about what they did that hurt you. i also get that if someone does something bad to you, you will want to get them back because of what they did to you , but knowing that you might do worse to them just to make you feel better but it doesnt and it only makes it worse on you not the person your getting revenge on. is revenge ever the answer to your problems?

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Guadalupe1
10/06/2011 3:40pm

Like I said before i agree with both Martiana and Kealiah. I agree becasue no matter how bad you want to get revenge on some one you should'nt. That will only bring you a lot of problems and the consequences to those problems wont be good at all. Revenge could be sweet but if you take it to far as in to killing someone, like in the Cask of Amontillado that is taking it way to far. I think that there is no need to take it to the extreme with revenge. What good will revenge do you??? It might make you feel better at some point but at another it might make you feel misserable. Meaning that you could regret what you do to that person. Probably for a few days, motnhs or even years. So I would definatley consider talking things out first and then try to solve the issue. That way the person that did the bad to you will realize what he/she did to you was wrong,and try to make it better by fixing whatever the damage was.What did Montresor get out of his revenge? Will he regret it??? Did he even think about what he was doing at that point?????

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Ajla 5
10/06/2011 4:21pm


I like when Francis Bacon said “whatever is past and gone cant be changed.”, so what’s the point of getting revenge. I mean, it’s in the past so you should not only forget about revenge, but forget about it and think of the future, and make sure it doesn’t happen again.

I agree with Yajaira because even if you get revenge you will always feel the pain someone caused to you that was so bad it made you want revenge. Like we mentioned in the class discussion, you might feel satisfaction but it will never be a feeling stronger than that certain pain. Also I think that in the story the “Cask of Amontillado”, Montresor, for a brief moment when he hesitated he just might have thought that. Because he himself, was in the middle of getting revenge when he started to rethink what he was doing.

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Antonette1
10/06/2011 6:05pm

I agree with Kealiah1 first part which says, "Revenge can make a person do crazy things such as trying to kill people" like what Montresor did. Montresor buryed Fortunato inside of a wall all because he had vowed revenge on him.
I like quote"if one didnt spend one's time trying to take revenge, those injuries would heal and be forgotten",because it basically says that if Montresor hadn't spent his time trying to plan up revenge on Fortunato and spent time to heal.Montresor wouldnt have live the life of being guilty,or feeling regretful that he buryed Fortunato inside a wall alive.

Question....
How did Fortunato really feel after knowing that he buried a person alive inside of a wall? How could someone go on in life knowing that he was about to kill somebody?

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Aj1
10/06/2011 6:38pm

I agree with Kealiah and Yajaira because no matter how much revenge you try to get , you will always feel pity for them. Like Francis Bacon you do the crime you do the time. I believe that if you really want revenge on someone the best way to get it is to simply forgive and forget because if you don't you are just simply hurting yourself more, and if you do then it will eat them up in the inside. No revenge should go as far as killing someone. In the story " The Cask Of Amontillado " it stated that Montresor said " My heart grew sick - on account of the dampness of the empty catabombs. " He knew that what he had did was a crime and was way to far. Sometimes people get really caught up into hurting someone they forget about the real world, even if what he did was wrong he has feelings too. He also has family what will they think ? You are also hurting them & yourself. If you really feel as if building a whole wall just to bury someone alive is getting back at them its not. It could lead to more things such as death in this case. People make mistake but it isn't worth their life and if you feel that way just tell them how you feel. Revenge is a horrible thing but some people think its good to get back at other people. But if you ask me is it really worth it ??

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Elizbeth1
10/06/2011 6:47pm

I agree with Kiana1, with the fact that revenge is not always the right way to handle things because you don't know if the person who hurt you on accident or on purpose. I like article about revenge because it says "Revenge is most allowable when there is no specific law to correct an injury. However, one must then be careful that the kind of revenge one takes does not break yet another law". This text tells me that when it comes to revenge is careful how you get revenge on the person because yet you don’t want to break another law. This article connects to the Cask of Amontillado because it is all about how Montresor gets revenge on Fortunato. This also connects to the story by showing how Montresor went in a niche to bury Fortunato alive and how private revenges are, however, not good because there is no one to confirm that this happen. Also I think that revenge can come in many ways even in the smallest way possible. When Francis Bacon mentioned in the article that taking revenge, a person does indeed get even with his enemy. But when one refuses to take revenge, he shows that he is better than his enemy. This tells that in my experience of seeing people get revenge on their enemy but, the enemy refuses shows the person giving the revenge that they are the bigger person and not going to take revenge. I also agree with Kealiah1 because she states that revenge can make people do foolish things such as, killing people. I agree with Kealiah1 because when someone you love or have great connection with like friend, hurts you more than ever. Then you will want to get revenge on the person even, without thinking what you are doing. So you are being foolish because you are not thinking situation, you just revenge which also makes a person go to extreme. I would like to know what makes a person to the extreme?

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Nina5
10/06/2011 6:54pm

I agree with douala1 Is it our nature...it's something that people seem to enjoy at the moment but when you're done its not so much of satisfying. In this story it says " What is certain about planning to get even is that one's own wounds remain open. If one didn't spend one's time trying to take revenge, those injuries would heal and be forgotten" Revenge never makes anything better and maybe deep inside of us we know it but at the moment we just go insane and seek for something to do. Like in the story the chasers, Montresor got insulted by Fortunato somehow where he had no clue Montresor had a secret hatred towards him. All Montresor wanted to do was seek revenge. But deep inside if it wasn't for him being driven by hatred he would of never done it. Revenge can make you do crazy things. But can revenge be sweet at time? Ever?

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Silvia 5
10/06/2011 6:54pm

I agree with Ajla when she states that "Whatever is past is gone and cant be changed." because even if you get revenge on a person it not gonna make things better.You cant change that past but you can make the future better.The only thing that your doing is making youself feel worse because if you cause harm to someone and they go on with there life without reacting to what you did.Then you just continue to hurt them when your only hurting yourself more.Although revenge can be bad if you keep continuesly hurting someone those little bits of insults can turn in to one big probelm which caused Montresor to finally give up trying to put up with Fortunato insults which led Montresor to wall up Fortunato alive, IN THE CASK OF AMONTILLADO

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Melissa5
10/06/2011 7:30pm

I think people shouldn’t worry about revenge, like it says in the text “… But when one refuses to take revenge he shows that he is better than his enemy.” Revenge is for immature people who think of the past instead of present. The person who hurt them is, again like it said in the text, “… They hurt me because their evil…”, but sometimes it’s not because they are evil sometimes people do hurtful things to others because others have hurt them.” What is certain about planning to get even is that one's own wounds remain open. If one didn’t spend one's time trying to take revenge, those injuries would heal and be forgotten. “This part of the text was what got my attention the most; it is exactly what I think smart people should do. Forget, move on, and be happy. Revenge you might feel satisfaction but then you’re going to feel guilt later in life. Like how Montresor wanted revenge on Fortunato so bad and at the end when he was burying him alive he felt guilt, like he couldn’t do it anymore and yet he continued. Do what is right, revenge or move on?

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kiana1
10/06/2011 7:52pm

I Think Revenge is an type of works that your just doing in waste of your time. Because at the end of everything narrowing down each person the one that's doing the revenge and the person their doing it to are going to be hurt. That's why i agree with dasia1 because like she said if you really wanted revenge it shouldnt be to the point as trying to take someone's life like burying them alive. What's the major thing to revenge? Why do people enjoy other's pain so well?

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Elisia1
10/06/2011 8:20pm

I think that whatever happens, happens because you can’t change the past or the future. Human react and do things and without thinking. Revenge comes to mind when thinking about what happened. I how u can get them back you don’t really think about what would happen after the damage is done. I agree with Nina because we are only human and we do crazy things and we do have crazy feelings and that sometimes leads us to do those crazy things. Why do people judge and act like they never think on the crazy side of things or they are perfect?

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shalandra5
10/06/2011 8:27pm

I agree with Asia because how hard you try to punish someone for what they did to you, you punishing yourself because you did worse which will bring worse things towards you. Such as in " The Cask Of AMONTILLADO", Montresour tries to make Fortuntao feel worse by vowing revenge on him.Instead of seeking revenge back on that person that did wrong to you doesn't mean that you can always right to seek revenge towards the person in the wrong.I understand that if someone did something bad to me, i would want to make them feel as worse but then i would have to re-think about vowing revenge towards someone because does that make me the person in the wrong.Can vowing revenge be the smartest choice to do?

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mariah1
10/06/2011 8:28pm

I agree with Elizbeth1 if someone hurts you,you well never know if it was an accident or if it was on purpose? It better to leave whatever happened in the past because it all ready happened.Revenge can make you injure someone or even try to kill them just like in the cask of amontillado.like how montresor builds a brick wall and leave fortunado to die there all chained up.There has to be a reason why revenge makes a person do extreme thing ???

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Devon2.0
10/06/2011 8:33pm

I agree with Aj. I believe that if you really want revenge on someone the best way to go about getting it is to just simply let go. I say this because the person that hurt you or embarrassed will most likely be looking for you to try and get revenge and when you don’t give them what they are looking for it starts to get to them , and that I know for a fact! With that Said I would like to say that when you really think about it , and break it down there is one reason that everyone feels they need to get revenge rather or not they act upon those feelings is under minded because the fact is they still want it and the reason why is because there pride is hurt far more then any physical scar. They feel as though they need to make them feel as unimportant , insignificant belittled , ect . That is what I believe to be the true reason for revenge and I think that is why Montresor wanted revenge. Even though in the text it doesn’t clearly state what fortunate did , the way Montresor talks about it its seems as if Fortunato might have embarrassed him and made him feel unimportant money wise so in Montresor mind he had to make him feel unimportant which is why he chained him to a wall and left him to rot , thus making him feel unimportant. I’m sure its pretty hard to feel important when your chained in the dark all along.

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Alejandra1
10/06/2011 8:47pm

I agree with Nina1, Revenge is simply something people do because they think it'll satisfy them. But really all it does is hurt the other person. What can you benefit from revenge? People do it because, at the time, they may feel the need to get even, to hurt the person who hurt them, but really all it does is hurt the other person... It can't heal your wounds, It can't reverse time, What's done is done. "Whatever is past is gone and can't be changed"

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Julia5
10/06/2011 8:47pm

I agree with Guadalupe when it comes to wanting revenge but not following through with it because you shouldn't. Francis Bacon writes "Rather, it is done for his profit or his own pleasure or his honor or for some other reason he might have." and he means that people usually feel better about themselves or take pride in them self when they put another person down. It's extremely selfish, and when people suffer because of another's low self-esteem it's understandable to want revenge. Actually taking revenge on that person, though, isn't necessarily the right thing to do. It shows that person how much they affected you and that their plan to get you angry worked. If Montresor had treated Fortunado like he hadn't done anything wrong, he would have benefited from it. Fortunado would have gotten the idea that whatever it is that he did did not have an effect on Montresor and he most likely wouldn't have tried anything again. My question is, if you get so upset with what someone did to you, how do you resist the urge to get right back at them?

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Shafia1
10/06/2011 8:48pm

In the article about revenge, Francis Bacon claims that- “If one didn’t spend one’s time trying to take revenge, those injuries would heal and be forgotten.” This quote explains that if we spend time taking revenge we will concentrate more on our detriments that will always stay as a worst memory but when we never take revenge our detriments will soon be obliterated. This means that the more revenge we take the worse deeds we indeed to accomplish. We have the anger toward our opponent that causes us to take revenge and we think taking revenge will make our sorrow decrease but it makes no difference, in fact it makes it worse for you to remain your detriment as a bad memory. Therefore, I agree with Aj and Nina that revenge will only lead you to hurt yourself but not your opponent. Your plans of revenge will be a filature when you have hurt yourself so it’s better to forget and forgive your opponent and your detriments to live a better life without revenge.
Francis Bacon claim relates to “The Cask of Amontillado” because Montresor is not satisfied when he took revenge from Fortunato because it says in the text- “My heart grew sick on account of the dampness of the catacombs.” This shows that Montresor has regretted what he did to Fortunato which increased his detriments because he realizes his bad deeds toward Fortunato. This has hurt him more than the detriments Fortunato gave him. Therefore, this tells me that revenge will not make your detriment decrease.
As a class discussion we discussed that Francis Bacon claim is the best choice to do in your detriment. We choose to stay calm and not take revenge because we know that revenge will make us hurt more than our opponent. We have learned this lesson by reading “The Cask of Amontillado” because Montresor realizes at the end of the story that he has done bad deeds to Fortunato which hurts him more than the detriments Fortunato gave him. After knowing the bad result of taking revenge, why do we still come to a point where we have to take revenge?

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syed1
10/06/2011 9:15pm

I agree with ajla. What happened in the past cannot be changed. You could learn a great deal from it and try to prevent it from happening again. I like when Francis Bacon says "What is certain about planning to get even is that one's own wounds remain open. If one didn't spend one's time trying to take revenge, those injuries would heal and be forgotten." When you want to take revenge and try to take it the memories keep playing in your head, over and over again, and that will just leave you feeling upset/mad. In class we discuss what "extremes" we go to when we take revenge. Francis Bacon says something similar "When a man commits a crime, he breaks the law. But when the injured person takes revenge, the person destroys law itself." So basically when someone does something to make you mad or upset its not as bad when you take revenge and try to hurt the person as bad as you possibly can. Is it O.K. to take revenge if you don't go to extremes?

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ZyreelClaire5
10/06/2011 9:21pm

I would agree with nina5 because I also think revenge is really planted in our nature. In my opinion, we just want to take revenge because of the pleasure that we would get when we hurt our enemies, like they hurt us because “...no person, hurts another person just to hurt him. Rather, it is done for his profit or his own pleasure or his honor or for some other reasons he must have.” This quote that I picked connects to “The Cask of Amontillado” because when Montresor is walling up Fortunato, he heard chain vibrations and a cry of torture which gave him pleasure because of his thought that he is now having revenge on Fortunato and Fortunato is now feeling the pain he had planned for him. What can you do to ignore the urge of trying to get revenge on someone who hurt you?

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Juana1
10/06/2011 9:31pm

I agree with devon2.0, revenge is something someone will seek for no matter what even if they want to stop themselve's they can't because they just want to focus on getting there revenge. Just like the story "The Cask Of Amontillado", montresor wanted to go after fortunato for revenge even if he had second thoughts or hesitated on what he had planned.The more he listened to fortunato with the chains inside the niche it would give montresor more of the satisfaction to get revenge.But the best revenge you could ever give to someone is NOTHING! because what they'll be expecting from you is the revenge when really in there mind all there focused on is the revenge you'll be giving them, when they least expect it nothing happens and there just on there mind getting paranoid about it.Just like this text says "suppose someone hurts me because he is evil. Isn't that just like a thorn or briar which scratches me because it can't do anything else?". If someone hurts you deeply it's just like a thorn or briar hurting you it could heal yeah it will cost time for it to heal because it could be your best friend/family member /person you love hurting you but even though if you loved that person would you hurt them till death?

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Miguel1
10/06/2011 9:37pm

I agree with Sofia if try to forget what your opponent did to you soon enough your pain will obliterate.Like Francis Bacon said in the text,"whatever is past is gone and cant be changed",no matter how hard you try to get back at your opponent you will only end up making yourself feel worse,like Aj and Nina said in their comment.This is just like what was stated in "The Cask of Amontillado" Montrosor wastes all his time trying to get his revenge on Fortunato but,only ends up starting to regret what he is doing and only makes himself feel worse. So after making yourself feel bad for what you try to do to your opponent,is it worth making yourself feel worse just because someone did something to you?

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Jourdan1
10/06/2011 10:18pm

I think that revenge makes a person do crazy things like kill their friends. The author states "The more people try to take revenge, the more the law should punish them. When a man commits a crime, he breaks the law.But when the injured person takes revenge, the person destroys law itself. In taking revenge, a person does indeed get even with his enemy. But when one refuses to take revenge, he shows that he is better than his enemy. King Solomon, I am sure, said it is glorious for a person to forget an injury." I agree with the author because when a person takes revenge they don't just destroy the law it injures a person but it will not take the memories and the hurt they felt away. Is revenge always the answer?

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Anu5
10/06/2011 11:27pm

A person getting revenge with someone does indeed get you even with your enemy but that doesn’t make you any better. For example, Montresor took revenge on Fortunato by killing him but that didn’t change anything. He did get even with Fortunato but he still wasn’t happy. In fact, if Montresor was a wise person, he would have refused to take revenge because that shows he is better than his enemy.
Also, I agree with Asia5 when she said “Revenge is never the way to handle your problems.” I say this because there are more ways to solve your problems. Revenge isn’t the only solution. This brings me back to our class discussion when we were disusing about some different ways to solve your problem besides getting revenge. Some of the options were to just tell your enemy how you felt, which Montresor or anyone could or should do. After all revenge doesn’t make you any better. Although, why do people still take revenge when they know it won’t do you any good?

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Ebun5
10/07/2011 12:15am

Renege is justifiable because those who focus on revenge does not allow the wounds of the past to heal. They keep the wound open by focusing strongly on it but making it a focus point in their lives, they think that the moment they get revenge it will cause the wound to heal. I agree with Douala1 because revenge only leads to more dangerous things because it consumes you with toxic thoughts and is a barrier to your ability to move forward in life In the text it says "people who spend their time worrying about past injuries just waste their time". In "The Cask Of Amontillado", Montrosor gets his revenge on Fortunato by using him against his own weakness which is wine and then making easier for him to kill him. To me, revenge is nothing because instead you can leave the past behind and not consume the past with the present and try to be the bigger person and find a way to forgive the person regardless of what they have done to you because it only makes your life easier and pain free each day.What kind of name is Fortunato? and what did Fortunato do so badly to make Montresor take a great deal of revenge on him?

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Dymond5
10/07/2011 12:17am

I agree with Asia5 which is a good example . Montersor was so fed up he didnt think twice about what he was doing . So when he buried Funtunato alive it hit him but didnt . Like he thought about it once he heard Funtunato cries, but he continued his dirty work . Also even though he had revenge by burying this man alive he mocked him just so he can please himself because at the moment he believe he's right . The beginning of the story states "The thousands injuried of Funtunato, I had borne as I best could, but when he ventured upon insult, I vowed revenge." So now Montresor is like I promise he's is going to get revenge under no circumstances am I not going to get him back . Two wrongs doesnt make a right. The whole point changed when it was Funtunato being chained down . Funtunato is all of a sudden pleding for mercy when at first he was the other way around . If it was Francis Bacon speaking then it would have been other way around because Francis believe's in revenge so he's like yeah get him back for everything he did to you .

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Heydi1
11/27/2011 4:34pm

I agree with Elizbeth1 and Kiana1 because what they say about you don’t know if the person did something on purpose or not. But I also have to say that if the person did do it on purpose then revenge is ok because they did something to you that you did not like. In that case it will be ok, but if it was not on purpose and you wanted revenge then you would be doing something wrong. I like what Francis Bacon says,”people who spend their time worrying about past injuries waste their time”. I like this because it’s true if people go about seeking revenge then there never going to get anywhere and they’re not going to be satisfied. They are going to seek revenge over and over again

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Ivan5
01/05/2012 2:59pm

I think that revange is just a waste of time. the reason i say that is becuase your makig someone else feel bad too and then there going to want revange as well. Its also just going to be in your mind and not leave you alone.

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jourdan5
01/06/2012 10:33pm

i think that revenge is not even necessary to be honest i mean if you have to go resort to revenge you are no better then the person who you are taking it out on. I mean you are going down to there level and you are just as bad as they are. if you feel revenge is going get you some where i feel that you dont know how to handle a problem. i think that revenge gets you no where in life because you never over come the problem but you only feed the problem and make it worse.

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06/10/2012 11:54pm

My thoughts on thirteen reasons why is that it was a good book. I really like the way the the author set the book up into different parts which were separated by the cassette number. I Also Like The Way The Author Had The story told from the point of view of one of the charters, I think that that was a good way to help the reader feel what was really going on in the story. I like the whole idea of the book and the message in it which was really just to let people know, watch what you say to people and how you treat them because you never really know what’s going on with them on the inside. I gave the book four stares because I really did like it but I think it ended kind of fast and left the reader a little shorthanded.
My poster was set up to be like a big web of things that happened in the book that lead up to Hannah killing herself. I took images of people and placed them around another image of a girl and pointed areos ant the girl in the middle. The girl in the middle is Hannah. Then from Hannah I put aeros that aimed at the other people who represented other charters in the book. From those other charters I put aeros that pointed to different images that represented what that charter did in order to get on Hannah’s bad side. The aero that points at the camera represents the guy who was taking pictures of Hannah through her bedroom window. The aero that aims at the pen and paper represents the guy that made a list of girls at the school that Hannah’s name was on which brought her unwanted attention. Next the aero that is facing the note cars represents the guy who was taking Hannah’s notes out of her bag in class. Last the aero that points at the car represents the girl who caused the car accident that Hannah latter felt partly responsible for. I also had the word tragedy on my poster because I felt that it really was just a huge tragedy and on top of that is the word gossip, which is one of the main things that bothered Hannah throughout the book, people gossiping about her. The I have a new paper because early on in the story one guy took one of Hannah poems and put it in the school paper without her permission.

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